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OH YEAH, why did ozzy remove shot in the dark from his catalogue? i love that song, first time i heard it as a kid i was like, this is fukin awesome.


i believe it has something to do with
Phil Soussan owning the rights to that song.
Apparently he wrote it pre-Ozzy ...


Exactly right. Phil brought a tape of that songs arrangements to the band when he joined.


really? i thought jake e lee had a big part in writing that song? i remember reading something like that.


That song is the only one on the album credited to Osbourne/Soussan. I'm sure Jake did his own solo, but the song was pretty much complete when it was presented to the band. Ozzy must have put some melodies in there and lyrics.


Ok now the video to this song is special as everyone remembers Jake had a white SG totally bad!Also the solo to the song is one of the best he has done.


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OH YEAH, why did ozzy remove shot in the dark from his catalogue? i love that song, first time i heard it as a kid i was like, this is fukin awesome.


i believe it has something to do with
Phil Soussan owning the rights to that song.
Apparently he wrote it pre-Ozzy ...


Exactly right. Phil brought a tape of that songs arrangements to the band when he joined.


really? i thought jake e lee had a big part in writing that song? i remember reading something like that.


That song is the only one on the album credited to Osbourne/Soussan. I'm sure Jake did his own solo, but the song was pretty much complete when it was presented to the band. Ozzy must have put some melodies in there and lyrics.


Ok now the video to this song is special as everyone remembers Jake had a white SG totally bad!Also the solo to the song is one of the best he has done.


You mean this one?
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it's probably the first guitar Jake ever had(along with a Kasino amp(4x10)).
He thought it was too delicate to bring with him on tour.


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MZA wrote:
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OH YEAH, why did ozzy remove shot in the dark from his catalogue? i love that song, first time i heard it as a kid i was like, this is fukin awesome.


i believe it has something to do with
Phil Soussan owning the rights to that song.
Apparently he wrote it pre-Ozzy ...


Exactly right. Phil brought a tape of that songs arrangements to the band when he joined.


oh yes look at that bitch!Dam!!!

really? i thought jake e lee had a big part in writing that song? i remember reading something like that.


That song is the only one on the album credited to Osbourne/Soussan. I'm sure Jake did his own solo, but the song was pretty much complete when it was presented to the band. Ozzy must have put some melodies in there and lyrics.


Ok now the video to this song is special as everyone remembers Jake had a white SG totally bad!Also the solo to the song is one of the best he has done.


You mean this one?
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it's probably the first guitar Jake ever had(along with a Kasino amp(4x10)).
He thought it was too delicate to bring with him on tour.


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I just finished listening to a my entire catalog of music Jake is wielding axe on and frankly I conclude that Jake E. Lee's technique and finesse on his instrument is/was miles above what Wylde has achieved as a player. Jake's execution and articulation on the fretboard is immaculate,. You know instantly who is playing the guitar when it is a Jake lick, and that says volumes for a player. Zakk is a monster player in his own right and I am not taking anything away from him I just think the listener isn't getting the full package from Zakk like they are with Jake.

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Yes, I totally agree.

Have you heard Jake's version of "Whiskey Train" ?

Awesome as ever.

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I just re-watched Ozzy's "Bark at the Moon" concert in Salt Lake City from '84 this weekend (I had recorded it on VHS back in the day and transferred it to DVD later). I really enjoyed watching Jake E. Lee strut his stuff in that show. 8)

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I just re-watched Ozzy's "Bark at the Moon" concert in Salt Lake City from '84 this weekend (I had recorded it on VHS back in the day and transferred it to DVD later). I really enjoyed watching Jake E. Lee strut his stuff in that show. 8)


Yeah, that was a bad ass show! I remember watching it as a kid and being in awe of the whole spectacle that is/was an Ozzy concert!

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Randy is my favorite player. But, i love Jake's solo on Bark at the moon.
Bark is one of my favorite songs.


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i would have to agree but i do love watch zakk go crazy

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did you guys ever read Jakes profile on DRG ?

thought I'd post a few quotes since we're comparing Jake and Randy anyway ;)

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On the Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman material, Jake stuck very close to Randy's original solos, adding only a few of his own subtle interpretations. He often played the Rhoads material with more confidence and consistency than you'll hear on live recordings featuring Randy himself.

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Jake was a true extrovert performer who demanded your attention. He had the best stage presence and most exhilarating stage moves of any of the players of his era. Women wanted him. Guys wanted to be him. Jake danced and gyrated all over the stage. Yet if you were waiting for him to screw up or miss a note, you could forget about it. The details and nuances of playing never suffered in the performance. His combination of control and consistency were uncanny. It was as if the Ozzy gig was too easy for him.


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As much as I think Jake is a good guitarist, I think some of those statements are incredibly overblown. I've seen Jake perform with Ozzy 3 times and Badlands 3 times and his onstage performance always was affected by his dancing, gyrating and other visual flash. Fun to watch onstage? Sure. Fun to listen to onstage? Ehhh....not so much. He was really sloppy, but his stage showmanship took the focus off that.

He played Randy's material with more "confidence" and "consistency"? *LOL*LOL* That's too much. Total rubbish.

Again, I like Jake's playing for what it was, but incredibly ridiculous statements/comparisons like some of those always get me going. :lol:


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okay, now I have to go and watch some jake clips to confirm this for myself iron. :lol: all said though, he is definitly a good player.

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okay, now I have to go and watch some jake clips to confirm this for myself iron. :lol: all said though, he is definitly a good player.


Jake is without doubt more than a good player!


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As much as I think Jake is a good guitarist, I think some of those statements are incredibly overblown. I've seen Jake perform with Ozzy 3 times and Badlands 3 times and his onstage performance always was affected by his dancing, gyrating and other visual flash. Fun to watch onstage? Sure. Fun to listen to onstage? Ehhh....not so much. He was really sloppy, but his stage showmanship took the focus off that.

He played Randy's material with more "confidence" and "consistency"? *LOL*LOL* That's too much. Total rubbish.

Again, I like Jake's playing for what it was, but incredibly ridiculous statements/comparisons like some of those always get me going. :lol:


Here's part of an interview from Guitar World Magazine in November 1986, with Jake explaining about this very thing:

GW: It's funny that you would double and triple-track your rhythm parts because in other areas you seem to be such a purist; you don't use a vibrato bar, before joining Ozzy's band you really didn't use any pedals��

Jake: A purist? Probably more of a masochist is a better way to put it. I thought bars were cheating because you could tune the guitar down and do all that other sort of stuff that I do, so you don't need a bar. And you could do fake echoes like I do, so echoes were cheating. Flanging was covering up something that was boring that you should have made more interesting in the beginning. And that's the way I felt before joining Ozzy, but I still feel like I'm cheating.

I know Warren (DeMartini-guitarist for Ratt) has gone back to the same thing that I used to do; he's only got an equalizer now. I saw that when they were opening for us in England and I said , "That's a nice set-up you've got, Warren," and he goes, "Yeah, I got it from this one guy I used to see all the time. He got a real cool sound, but he's pedal-mad now." He made me feel guilty about it.

"You have to play a lot cleaner and pay more attention to what you're doing. If you screw up there's no echo to cover you and flange to cover your sloppiness. That's the way a real guitar player should play.

GW: When you're playing big halls, don't you need some echo to flesh out the sound?

Jake: I do, I've gotten spoiled. I don't use as much echo as a lot of people do, I just put a little in there so it's not real dry-sounding. I move now more than I did when I was in Ratt or Rough Cutt because Ozzy wants that. When it was the club days you had to play good because record people might be there, but now I'm more or less compromising a little because I'm moving a lot more. I'm moving more because Ozzy wants it and the audience wants it. If they just want to hear me play clean they can listen to the record-that's me standing there and playing clean. But I know I always wanted some showmanship when I went to a concert or otherwise I'd just buy a photograph of the band and listen to the record. So I do need a bit of help.

GW: Are you saying you play better on record than you do live?

Jake: I play cleaner. I wouldn't say better because some nights I think I play better than what's on the record. There's more passion and more fire.



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Jake is an excellent player and I don't think anyone can doubt that. He is my next favorite Ozzy player behind the obvious and right before Joe Holmes. With Joe, its like give him anything and he can play it exactly as it was written. I think Randy would be very proud of what he accomplished, albeit in a short time w\Oz. I always thought Jake was more of a blues player at heart and so I tend to think Badlands is more of him in his element. Though I do love his stuff with Ozzy.

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I always thought Jake was more of a blues player at heart and so I tend to think Badlands is more of him in his element.


this is true though, but he fit in with Ozzy too :)


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I know that opinions are like a....holes. Everyone has one. But does anyone besides me think that Jake E. Lee was the best guitarist Ozzy had except for Randy? Again, just IMHO, the tunes off of Bark at the Moon and Ultimate Sin blow away anything except the tunes off of Blizzard or Diary.


I couldn't have said it better myself. :wink:

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Randy played his heart out. You can hear it in every note so much emotion. Jake was very aggressive you can hear him attack those strings. I agree very under rated awsome player. The best guitar player Ozzy had after Randy, but Zakk is in a close third.


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........does anyone besides me think that Jake E. Lee was the best guitarist Ozzy had except for Randy?



I like the majority of the track's on Bark. I only like a handful on Ultimate Sin. Killer of Giants and The Ultimate Sin are the best 2 track's on that album.

Now..........to the point of your question. I really like the stuff Jake did in Badlands more so than with Ozzy, he really seems to shine and sounds like he was a lot more in his element and comfort zone while in Badlands.

I think Randy was the best guitarist in Ozzy's band......second would have to be Zakk playing on No Rest and No More Tears. Those were two great album's.


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I saw an interview with Ozzy some time ago where he praises Zakk Wylde to know end, but just briefly mentions Jake. I wonder how much bad blood there was between them. I think the interview was done in the early 90's.

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i wouldnt mind seeing that clip, im a huge fan of zakk myself ,but thats only because he was new to ozzy when i first discovered him..not to take anything away from jake, but i have to agree with iron on this one ...a bit overrated :oops:


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Yhea I agree Jake E Lee was the best after Randy everything on Ultimate Sin just smokes,truly one of the best.



Dude everything on BATM rocks to! Jake is my second fave guitar player that played with Ozzy cause he just makes you think that his style and Randy's were very very close! I thought his song Rock N Roll Rebel that riff before the solo just sounded very Randyish. Does anybody else think that Jake's style was similar to Randy's. Take Rock N Roll Rebel you could Imagine Randy writing that especially with the solo. Also did anybody ever think that sometimes Randy would do a Tony Iommi. I always thought Randy's style had a little Iommi in it... Anybody agree? *?

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Jake is my second fave guitar player that played with Ozzy

I gotta put Iommi and Rhoads in the top two -- everyone else takes a back seat to those two. :wink:

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I gotta put Iommi and Rhoads in the top two -- everyone else takes a back seat to those two. :wink:


Likewise here. :wink:


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Jake is my second fave guitar player that played with Ozzy

I gotta put Iommi and Rhoads in the top two -- everyone else takes a back seat to those two. :wink:


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ironface166 wrote:
As much as I think Jake is a good guitarist, I think some of those statements are incredibly overblown. I've seen Jake perform with Ozzy 3 times and Badlands 3 times and his onstage performance always was affected by his dancing, gyrating and other visual flash. Fun to watch onstage? Sure. Fun to listen to onstage? Ehhh....not so much. He was really sloppy, but his stage showmanship took the focus off that.

He played Randy's material with more "confidence" and "consistency"? *LOL*LOL* That's too much. Total rubbish.

Again, I like Jake's playing for what it was, but incredibly ridiculous statements/comparisons like some of those always get me going. :lol:

Interesting. My 2 cents fwiw...Impossible to watch on stage, impossible to listen to live...easy to listen to Bark and TUS!! :D Badlands was pretty much a snore-fest wasnt it? Blech. For Ozzy guitarists, Jake would definitely be a worthy second to RR. Dont really care for any of the others 8)


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