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 Post subject: Chinese Concorde?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:19 pm 
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I've always wanted a Jackson Concorde but could never afford one. I've heard GREAT things about Jackal but it's my understanding that he's no longer making them due to health issues. So I did an internet search and came across a company out of China that's making replicas. I know, I know ... Chinese guitars are garbage at best but I figured I would at least have a cool looking wall hanger. :lol:

Well, I ordered the guitar and much to my surprise, it's pretty darn accurate so figuring I had a good foundation for a cool project, I decided to put a little time and money into fixing it up. To date, I have leveled and dressed the frets, added a NOS Charvel brass trem, NOS Charvel brass knobs, Schaller tuners and strap locks, a new switchcraft toggle, new Bourns pots, orange drop caps, all new wiring, and Seymour Duncan (JB/Jazz) pickups.

I'm still in the process of putting it all together but here's a pic of guitar when I first got it.

BTW ... if anyone knows of anybody selling a Jackal, I'm still interested so please let me know. Thanks! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Concorde?
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Well it certainly "looks" good. How does she sound and play? BTW what name is on the headstock? Does it actually say Jackson, or is it another name?

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Well it certainly "looks" good. How does she sound and play? BTW what name is on the headstock? Does it actually say Jackson, or is it another name?



So far, I've fitted the Charvel brass trem. Ironically, it was purchased from the same guy who provided them for Randy's original Concorde. Fitting basically just required cleaning up some of the routing in the cavity. Not a big deal. Spacing was a little different but that turned out to be a good thing because the crap trem that came with the guitar was a bit out of alignment. So this offered the opportunity to correct it. I've also replaced all of the electronics. I installed Bourns low friction pots, Sprague orange drop capacitors, a new switchcraft toggle, and Seymour Duncan (JB/Jazz) pickups with gold pole pieces. Last but not least, I replaced the crap tuners with Schaller locking tuners. I know that's really not what Randy used but they were a drop-in replacement so I opted for "functionality" over "authenticity". I also ordered custom polished brass cover plates. I think I probably added 5lbs. to the weight of the guitar just by adding good quality components. :lol: The guitar is very well balanced though (no neck dives).

I've set some time aside this weekend to string it up and do all of the adjustments. Once that's done, I'll replace the nut. It's just easier to do this when everything else is set up, IMO.

As of now, I can't tell you how it will sound with all of the upgrades but it looks and feels every bit as good as a Jackson, IMO. And yes ... the old style "Jackson" logo is on the headstock. :wink:

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Forgot to mention that I leveled and dressed all the frets.
I found quite a few high frets as well as some file marks that were really annoying, so I just leveled them all, re-crowned, and polished them up. I restrung the guitar after doing all of this work and found that it made a world of difference. :D

I'm actually glad I didn't spend $12k (or whatever ridiculous price) on the Jackson Concorde. I just find it much more rewarding to spend a few hundred bucks on a decent looking replica and do all the upgrades myself. If it wasn't such a good looking replica, I wouldn't have even bothered.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Concorde?
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Where'd you order it from?

Was it that rareelectricguitars site?


I may have to see about getting one myself if you think they're quality guitars.

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Where'd you order it from?

Was it that rareelectricguitars site?


I may have to see about getting one myself if you think they're quality guitars.



Yes, that's the website.
No, I never said they were "quality guitars".
What I received was little more than a wall hanger HOWEVER, with quality parts and a little knowledge of fret work and setups, they can be made to play and sound pretty nice. I like to tinker, so I just consider it a cool project. :wink:


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UPDATE:
Unfortunately, I didn't take many "before" pictures and most of the work done didn't really change the appearance of the guitar. But I'd like to show you what I've done so far ...

NOS Charvel brass tremolo, Seymour Duncan JB (with gold pole pieces) and brass knobs shown in this pic. Note the 2-point (two trem screws) mounted trem, like the original.
(Bridge saddles still needs to be adjusted for proper intonation)
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Brass block and brass trem claw.
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Bourns 500k pots and Sprague capacitors
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Schaller locking tuners.
They may not be authentic to the original or even period correct, but they were direct "drop in" replacements and they work great! So I opted for function over "authenticity".
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I may refinish the headstock and remove the Jackson logo. I'm undecided.
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I'm having some polished brass covers made for the back.
I'll probably get them in a couple weeks.

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Where'd you order it from?

Was it that rareelectricguitars site?


I may have to see about getting one myself if you think they're quality guitars.



Yes, that's the website.
No, I never said they were "quality guitars".
What I received was little more than a wall hanger HOWEVER, with quality parts and a little knowledge of fret work and setups, they can be made to play and sound pretty nice. I like to tinker, so I just consider it a cool project. :wink:


Not referring to the parts, I'm aware that the parts on the guitar are likely trash. I was referring to the guitar itself. Is the wood of a good quality? Is it a light guitar? Or is it a heavy, solid feeling guitar?

As I understand it, Randy's Concorde was a very heavy guitar. I personally like my guitars to be heavy.

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CrypticNight wrote:
Not referring to the parts, I'm aware that the parts on the guitar are likely trash. I was referring to the guitar itself. Is the wood of a good quality? Is it a light guitar? Or is it a heavy, solid feeling guitar?

As I understand it, Randy's Concorde was a very heavy guitar. I personally like my guitars to be heavy.


The guitar is solid and has some weight to it.
I haven't weighed the guitar but it has become considerably heavier since adding good quality parts. The hardware and electronics that came on the guitar were pure crap. For example, the stock tremolo couldn't have weighed more than a few grams. :lol:

I will also add that it's very well balanced. No "neck dives", even with the additional weight of the locking tuners.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:37 pm 
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Did my final "tweaking" of the guitar last night.
I went to swap out the nut for a bone nut, removed the stock nut and low and behold ... it was BONE! :shock:

All I had to do was just some minor fitting to bring the action down a little from the first fret, adjust the intonation, and I swear this guitar plays like a dream! Low action, no buzz, stable trem, great tone ... I couldn't ask for any more than that. :D


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Awesome! Thanks for the info and all of the pics. Please keep us posted with more updates. :)

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I ordered mine a few weeks ago. Supposedly it's being made as we speak.

I originally tried to get it custom made with neck through design, as opposed to the set in neck they give you, and an all maple body construction.

BUT, some problems arose when apparently their stock in maple was low and could not make the body as I specified. So I opted for my second choice in wood and got it in mahogany. Sooo, hopefully in the next couple weeks It'll be finished ready to ship.

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Rob2000 wrote:
I ordered mine a few weeks ago. Supposedly it's being made as we speak.

I originally tried to get it custom made with neck through design, as opposed to the set in neck they give you, and an all maple body construction.

BUT, some problems arose when apparently their stock in maple was low and could not make the body as I specified. So I opted for my second choice in wood and got it in mahogany. Sooo, hopefully in the next couple weeks It'll be finished ready to ship.


As long as you have the mindset of the guitar's potential, I think you'll be very happy. Just remember it's not a players guitar right out of the box and it will require a little TLC.
Mahogany is a really good choice too, btw.

Did you get it from the same "rareguitars" website?
Please post some pics and a review when you get it. *r*


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Yeah I'm well aware what I'm getting myself into haha. From what I've read from you, and others that this is what you would call a "project guitar."

Yeah I'll definitely post pics of it! And yes, I got it from Rare Electric.

Been awhile since I last heard from them, might quick email them and see if theres any updates?

How long did it take for them to complete the build on yours?

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Rob2000 wrote:
How long did it take for them to complete the build on yours?


I wanna say it was like 3-4 weeks from the time I ordered it.
Are you the same "Rob2000" that posts on the EVH forums?
I think I sold you my EBMM EVH. (?)


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Oh okay. I sent them an email for an update anyway.

Hmmm...I don't think so. Cuz I don't own a EBMM haha. I used to drift around the EVH forums for a while though, but it's been so long since visiting there that I don't remember the name i used haha. I probably used Robthewild1, maybe.

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Hey Rob,
Any updates on your Concorde?
Just curious.


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No, sadly not yet...

I emailed them last weekend asking for an update, and its been a week later. Still nothing. Might have to email again.

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Well I sent them another email, and they answered me back and said they will get their production department on the case. They'll apparently will send me photos of how far they are on it within the next day or two.

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They updated me finally, and were nice enough to send a photo of it so far.

It had recently gotten finished with paint, and will soon start with the rest of the assembly.


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Rob2000 wrote:
They updated me finally, and were nice enough to send a photo of it so far.

It had recently gotten finished with paint, and will soon start with the rest of the assembly.


Looks good bro!
Just tell em to ship it like that!
You'll just end up throwing all the hardware and electronics in the trash anyway. :lol:


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Haha yeah i was thinking about saying that haha

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Rob2000 wrote:
Haha yeah i was thinking about saying that haha


It doesn't look like it'll be much longer. :D
I'm assuming you're going to do what I did and replace all the hardware and electronics.
Have you decided on pickups, trem, tuners, etc.?

I'm curious to hear what you have planned. *r*


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Yeah, dude. I'm gonna be redoing the whole thing. Might need to some research on redressing the frets, and making them level. From what I hear, they are not very level and everything. That, and I've never touched frets before.

My brother gave me a black colored DiMarzio Super Distortion for Christmas, so I'm gonna utilize that, and put it in the bridge position. Just like Randy's PDV. For the Neck Position I'm gonna throw in a Seymour Duncan Jazz, just like the original.

I saw Fender is now selling the Brass Charvel Tremolo, and I was gonna try to either score one from Fender or perhaps if someone has them in stock. Tuners will most likely be Schallers, as well as strap locks. New pots, and switch craft switch. Basically I'm going to try my hardest to restore it to the relic specs. Dunno how long it'll take. Originally I planned on using my massive tax refund I received to fund the project. But sadly a bunch of sh*t came up, needed new tires, other car crap, and wisdom tooth surgery in a couple days. So I'm gonna have to do the project "piece by piece."

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The fretwork won't be difficult.
Mine wasn't all that bad. There were a few high frets but it wasn't hard to fix.
I was really surprised with the quality, to be honest.
I was expecting a lot worse. :lol:

I scored my Charvel brass trem on eBay.
It was NOS and came from the same guy who built them for the original Concorde.
It has a nice big brass block and added a LOT of mass to the guitar. The spacing will be different than the stock trem but the alignment on mine was "off" a bit, so this offered a good opportunity to re-align it. It functions just as good as any Floyd trem I've used, and more importantly ... it stays in perfect tune every time. I think the staggered, Schaller locking tuners really helped with that. Anyway, let me know if you want the guys info. and I'll look for it.

I can't wait to hear your review of the guitar when you get it.
Hopefully, you'll be as happy with yours as I am with mine.


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Oh seriously? How much did he charge you for the tremolo?

Yeah I can't wait to get it and start working on it.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/231146389686?_t ... 6520wt_758

Just a heads up ...
I had to clean up the route with a Dremel to allow clearance for the new block.
Not a big deal, but the block was getting hung up, not allowing the strings to come back to proper pitch.
Once the route was cleaned up and the block had proper clearance, there were no further issues.
I also mounted the baseplate using two screws, like the original.

Hope this helps.


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Great! Thanks man. I might have to jump on one of those bridges you linked.

Quite a bit cheaper than what Fender wants them for haha

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Great! Thanks man. I might have to jump on one of those bridges you linked.

Quite a bit cheaper than what Fender wants them for haha



Why buy Fender when you can have the real deal? *?


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